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E-Projects or Project Extranets or Project Hosting

Projects on the Web ?

An information Article by Andrew McLeman FRICS

(Last part updated Feb 2007 - please note that while I have not this time checked all the links, and some of the pricing my be out of date, it is meant as more of a guide to start you off, and you should make sure you check these out in more detail if you are considering signing up for anything!)

Whole projects on the web? - Haven't you noticed that drawings are nearly all CAD anyway?  The same with reports and specs they are mostly either PDF's Word or Excel! or other systems that can be converted.

The interchange initially between Professionals and then Contractors and then later sub contractors is more often now by electronic means - why just not take it a little further? -  Imagine not having to print out all drawings for all persons?

If consultants, contractors and sub contractors (some of whom only need initial access for pricing) could get the info direct from the web would that not be easier? Just think how many trees are needed to create the average NBS spec! Think of the savings in paper, ink, postage, packaging and storage alone! The industry standard is to 'push' out all the information, these systems allow people to 'pull' only what they need!

Take it a stage further and make all reports, minutes, progress photos, cost reports , Bills of Quants, Variations, even web cams etc. all being available or restricted depending on project hierarchy to separately password restricted levels?

Think how much 'bumf' is 'shoveled out' to all parties when they only want their bit! Just think of the meetings that could be saved with an efficient and private intercommunication tool! You can ensure that all members of the team have at all times access to the most up to date information.

In practice only the Major Projects use this sort of system at present, and its probably true that it falls down mainly at sub-contractor site level as they are mainly not equipped yet to deal with information this way. The fault perhaps lies with Main Contractors trying to impose systems, but not helping sub-contractors with the implementation. While it seems to be a good idea, it is just too much trouble to change the systems even if it is more efficient.  

Some Questions I hear you ask?

Q. But do QS's Contractors, Sub-contractors have CAD?

A. They don't need it! - Free AutoCAD viewers (e.g. for DWF files  'AutoDesk DWF Viewer' or even better Autodesk Design Review 2007 - which even allows measurement) of for DWG's "Autodesk  DWG True View") which allow anyone with a computer to view or print out drawings, are already easily available for free download. (e.g.- quite often while you will still need drawings for your part of the job - you just need a quick look at say a services drawing, but you don't require a paper copy. Print companies such as Service Point provide a service where they are linked to project extranets and will print and deliver drawings the same day.

Q. But everyone doesn't have Internet access? -

A -Well that must be very few by now  - It is the fairly recent spread of broadband that has made project extranets now more viable- 

Q. What about Security?

A. The project Extranet is a closed network only available to those involved in the project and invited to participate. The Project Manager would determine the levels of access and passwords. (e.g. a specialist sub contractor could have access to the relevant drawings and spec, but not any financial info.) Someone 'surfing' the internet and landing on the site 'by accident or even on purpose ' would still not be able to access any information.

Q. But surely a Bill of Quants can't go online ?

A. Why not !- they can go out in 'read only' fashion or as spreadsheets

Q. But what if 'Someone' refuses to play ball?

A. No big deal - just revert to paper for him!!

Paper will always still be needed for certain things anyway! - (For example you'll still need drawings for those site 'promotional' photos where a chap, or perhaps often a girl, and a colleague (both wearing hard hats of course!) point to the drawings while looking into the middle distance!!)

Q. Where do I get the drawings 'viewers'?

A. From our list of viewer software below:-

AutoDesk "DWF Viewer 7" is a free download but only allows  viewing of DWF files (i.e. DWG files specifically converted to "DWF" for the internet or viewing). Autodesk "Design Review 2007" , also free, is even better as it allows DWF's to be marked up and even lengths and areas measured on screen.   AutoDesk's "DWG True View" is also free and can read DWG's or DXF files  (and create DWF's from them) 

(Note that the old viewers - Volo View Express and Volo View 3 - are now discontinued) 

You could also consider Autodesk AutoCAD LT ('Light') 2007 if you want to do some drawings yourself at  $879

BENTLEY VIEW (Microstation - Bentley) allows viewing of Microstation "dgn" and AutoCAD "dwg" drawings
http://www.bentley.com/products/


For 'Documents' in general having Compatible software is best although most spreadsheet and WP programmes can convert. It seems that Microsoft now have the Industry standard in Word and Excel, go away from the flow 'if you dare'. While conversion is usually possible, you can also waste lots of time on re-formatting! 

Adobe Acrobat Viewer- Free Download allows viewing of original documents ".pdf" files. (PDF = Public Document Format. ) Any document can* be converted to "pdf" and viewed 'just as' the original  fonts, colours, pictures and layouts.
Especially good for forms, brochures etc.
The Viewer can be downloaded 'Free' from the Adobe web site: Get Acrobat Viewer 7.0 if you have Win XP otherwise you have to use Version 6.for Win 98 http://www.adobe.co.uk/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
To create a ".pdf" document they say you need full version Adobe 'Acrobat' 7.0 (costs  £395 + VAT  upgrade £135 + VAT approx.), but actually WordPerfect and Serif Page Plus  can convert documents to pdf. (Serif Page Plus X2 (- £99) effectively "auto reads" a pdf allowing it to be edited, and there are no doubt others that will do this also.)

Some More Questions and Answers

Q. Where do I find Project Hosts, what services do they provide and how much does it cost?

A. See our listing below of various PROJECT HOSTS (discovered to date).

Note there are others - these are some of the ones I have come across so far- they all offer different services, and it may depend on the size of the project, security issues, and the like. Why not try out one of the free ones to start with - you have nothing to lose?

The cost is not that easy to determine until you use it. Most companies charge based on the storage used, and determining that in advance is not all that easy. (e.g. If you assume an average drawing is about 0.5Mb - you would get 200 drawings to 100MB.) Your usage might depend also if you kept or archived earlier revisions, and a whole host of other factors including what info was held. (Our 'guide' costs use the estimated cost for a £5m project lasting one year.- Prices can change - these are approx prices always check the current rates at the websites + you could negotiate special deals?) 

Their order below is "as discovered" + not alphabetically!

ARUP - COLUMBUS
Basic is Free, Columbus Pro costs depending on users approx £66 per license (2-9 users)
They say they host more than anybody else!
www.oasys-software.com/product/dm/columbus

E-Project Express and e-Project Enterprise 
www.eproject.com

E-project express is completely free - 5 Mb available for each user in a project,
e-Project Workgroup gives 10Mb per user for (US)$25 per month
e-Project Enterprise gives 20Mb per user for (US)$39 per month
Features - Project Calendar, Document Sharing, Task Manager, Team Directory, Message Board, Anytime access. :express will not accept zip files. It is fully Internet based - no download required
User Comments: "Very good system which works! - although it takes a while to change screens and files have to be uploaded individually and this all takes time"

"PROJECT POINT - BUZZSAW"-
AutoDesk (makers of AutoCAD) also provide a project hosting service (through a subsidiary company -Buzzsaw) http://www.buzzsaw.com
Two products - Buzzsaw Professional and Buzzsaw standard 
They offer first 100Mb free
Thereafter 100mb to 1Gb would cost $200 per month.
1Gb to 10Gb would cost $500 per month.
Average £5m project estimated at £1,350 pm
File upload and e-mail notification, automatic e-mail the team when new info uploaded, track and view historical files, What's new listing, project URL (website) and password provided. (Will not work on MAC)

VIECON PROJECT HOSTING- BENTLEY SYSTEMS
(From MICROSTATION = Bentley)
The makers of microstation CAD software also offer a similar service
http://www.viecon.com
Less than 100MB is free
Average £5m project estimated at £150 pm
Comment : It is rumored they only make this available to registered Microstation clients. As it is 'almost impossible' that all members of the team would be, it must therefore make the whole thing unworkable!!!

Property Information Management Services (PIMSONLINE) is a Corporate Space and Accommodation Management Specialists who have developed  a system which they are offering either on a free to use basis when they perform CAD works for clients or on an annual fee basis based on sq ft of real estate hosted. They mainly target Facilities Managers to keep their buildings data online but can adapt the system for Construction extranets. They have a demo site at http://www.pimsonline.net/login/demo.htm
Main website www.pimsonline.net

BUILD-ONLINE.com - PROJECTS ONLINE
http://www.build-online.com

Centrally co-ordinate and communicate activities through out the design phase.
Software suite some download some Internet?
Average £5m project could cost £2000 pm

CADWEB
http://www.cadweb.co.uk/

Fully Internet enabled or via direct connection Provides a single secure place for all project members to access. Uses specially created client./server software for security and speed. All transactions are stored on unalterable optical disks. Suitable for IBM computers only - All CAD formats supported. Logs RFI's , TQ's etc when they are sent out. Fully searchable database. Uses a viewer called Autovue which can view 250 formats. Each participant must sign up to Cadweb. Cost for use is £0.70 per MB used per month  Info is archived after two months to keep cost down
Average £5m project could range from £850-£2,000 pm

BIW (Building Information Warehouse) - PROJECT INFORMATION CHANNEL
(developed with SCHALL)
http://www.biw.co.uk/
Average £5m project would cost approx. £2,200 pm

STRUCTNET PROJECT HOSTING
http://www.structnet.com/pacificstructural/serv05.htm

4 PROJECTS.com
Approx. £500pm for £5m Project

BRICSNET _ PROJECT CENTRE
www.bricsnet.com
Approx. £160 per project per month

CAUSEWAY TECHNOLOGIES - 
Collaboration - Enterprise and Project ASP
www.causeway-tech.com


HUMMINGBIRD - DOCS FUSION
www.hummingbird.com

OPEN TEXT - LIVE LINK
www.opentext.com

PROJECT VILLAGE
www.projectvillage.com
Approx. £600pm for 10 users

SARCOPHAGUS - THE PROJECT
www.sarcophagus.co.uk
Approx. £250-650pm for £5m Project

WEB 4 ENGINEERS

+  others no doubt!

OTHER USEFUL PROGRAMME

WINZIP 8.0 free file compression/expansion software can be downloaded here (industry standard to allow large files to be compressed for quicker transfer
ftp://ftp2.winzip.com/winzip/winzip80.exe

 

INTERNET HARD DRIVES ?


As an alternative you could create your own extranet using your own server? - or perhaps more easily using one of the many Internet Hard Drives  ?

 

Sharenation will give you 5Mb free to store your files, thereafter you'll have to pay. 
I personally use and like their system.
http://www.sharemation.com/xythoswfs/webui

Xdrive (free trial) - X drive will give you  a free trial of Web space to do with what you like, It is password protected and has two levels of access. I'm sure it could be used as a project Extranet
http://www.adobeactiveshare.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi

http://www.filesanywhere.com

+ there are bound to be others!

Q. How much space will a project need?

A. Well how long is apiece of string! ("Twice half its length" - for those that didn't know!)

Of course it depends on the project size and duration, although unless you needed to track every revision and document by date, much of the redundant info could be cleared off from time to time and so even 100MB could probably be 'workable' for a small project.

As for any cost - while benefits would be gained by design teams it is very doubtful that they would be keen to pay the fees! It is more likely that this will be Client driven (and paid for), though they may expect' keener fees! - Management Contractors will also drive this forward due to the efficiencies gained, expecting the client to pay of course!

Conclusion

Despite the still very slow take up, this 'revolution' is coming whether you like it or not - You had better be prepared to go with the flow rather than against it! - Why not pick a small project in your organisation and try it yourself with one of the free services? 

We are pleased to help you setting up a project extranet even where we are not involved in the project already

Please also feel free to Comment - Provide New Information/corrections and your experience - All feedback much appreciated + some will be published
e-mail me at

Andrew McLeman FRICS
McLeman QS Network :- 
QS, CDM Co-Ordination and 'e-Construction' Services
www.mcleman.net/

 

   
 

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